tuning down

topic posted Mon, January 2, 2006 - 2:44 PM by  Unsubscribed
I used to tune the guitar down half a step so that keys one might typically gravitate towards on guitar (E, A,..) would be flatted and have sort of a unique vibe. the somewhat lower degree of string tension also gave things a different sound.

anyone else tried this?
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  • Re: tuning down

    Mon, January 2, 2006 - 7:34 PM
    Nice thread topic!

    I've always enjoyed experimenting with different tunings on the guitar from simple string changes (like dropping the E to a D) to far more complex tunings involving most of the strings.

    The album Led Zeppling III (starting off with Immigrant Song) is what kicked in the door for me a very long time ago. Jimmy Page was brilliant and daring to have most of the songs on that album have their own unique tunings. It really opened me up to the limitless possibilities for new and interesting song arrangements.

    Peace,
    Lucian
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      Re: tuning down

      Tue, January 3, 2006 - 12:09 PM
      I played a 7-string for a while until I realized that by tuning down and using dropped-D (now dropped-D-flat) you could get lower notes and retain the obvious advantages of using a 6-string setup.

      now dropped-A-flat on a 7-string would be cool...
      • Re: tuning down

        Wed, January 4, 2006 - 7:25 AM
        i've lusted after a baratone fender with longer scale neck, they used to be rare now you can order the neck from stewart mcdonald or warmouth. and by the way ALL HAIL JIMMY PAGE!.... i've gotten into tunings lately i just try tune to thew and then pick around blindly until i come up with bits i like, it's a great ear exercise and you get to mess with the slide, i wish some one did a book with fret board charts for tunings or better yet a computer program where you punch in what you tune to and it just spits out a complete fret board diagram and chord dictionary that would be sweet.
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          Re: tuning down

          Thu, January 5, 2006 - 4:27 PM
          I just tried the old tuning down trick again on my current setup and found the notes sounded kind of mushy, so went back to standard tuning. altering the string gauge might fix this.

          I realize, though, that I actually LIKE typical guitar keys like A and D. (one can of course play in whatever key one wishes, but it's nice to be able to use some open strings).
          • Re: tuning down

            Fri, January 6, 2006 - 7:56 AM
            Using heavier gauge strings on a guitar that you experiment a lot with open tunings is a great idea. This primarily works best on acoustic guitars (open tunings).

            When I'm playing on the electric, I usually will change or de-tune ONE string only. Open tunings don't work so well on electric guitars in my opinion.

            I'm really glad this subject has come up. It's been my belief for a long time that using alternative tunings is a wonderful way to open up to new song writing possibilities. It may seem slightly intimidating to some people at first, but it's really exciting once you get into it.

            Peace,
            Lucian
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              Re: tuning down

              Fri, January 6, 2006 - 4:09 PM
              DADGAD is a useful tuning on electric - Jimmy Page put it to use on quite a few songs. of course I find using it is a good way to end up sounding like Pagey, and doesn't always lead to something original.

              Keith Richards uses open tunings on electric but I don't find the results (or anything his band does) that interesting.

              I played exclusively in drop-D for a number of years. good for riffing, but one starts missing the key of E.

              another interesting sound is dropping the B (2nd string) to an A.
  • Re: tuning down

    Wed, January 25, 2006 - 6:30 PM
    I have an uncle who had an old guitar that he tuned down a couple of semitones to put less stress on the soundboard. I really enjoyed playing it, as you said it had a different vibe. I wouldn't mind having a guitar that could be permanently tuned a little lower, but a guitar settles to the tension of strings into it's perfect set, just like our bodies get used to a certain weight.

    Guitar strings are also designed for a preset tension, so if you constantly change your tunings, you will find that your guitar is never perfectly in tune. I have a couple of slide guitars that I keep in Open A (Sevastopol) tuning. One is a dobro and I have just purchased a set of strings that are optimised for Open G. This means that the 1st, 5th and sixth strings are permanently raised. Haven't tried it yet.

    I don't mind doing things like dropping my 6th string down to D for a tune and then back up, but if you are doing gigs, its not a good look to be tuning in between every song.
    • Re: tuning down

      Thu, January 26, 2006 - 1:35 AM
      I play a fretless guitar. Normal tuning has that strange shift at the G - B strings which allows barre chords to be played - but, because there's no way a fretless guitar player is going to be playing barre chords, I have retuned the top two courses up a semitone so the guitar is tuned fourths all the way across. Low to high: E, A, D, G, C, F. This a much more logical tuning melodically because the interval between any two adjacent strings is always the same. I've got used to it now but occasionally get confused for a second when I pick up one of my regular-tuned fretted guitars.
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      Re: tuning down

      Thu, January 26, 2006 - 10:23 AM
      With an inline tuner that mutes your sound while you tune, you can pretty easily go to drop-D and back during a gig without annoying tuning noises. That is if you have a fixed bridge; with a tremolo system the pitch of each note gets affected. It's better to have distinct guitars for distinct tunings.
  • Re: tuning down

    Tue, August 15, 2006 - 2:38 AM
    I ve used slack tuning for a number of reasons,

    1.) I use dropped D, Dagad, and Neil Young's tunings to force myself to adapt to new conditions.I also enjoy playing melodies against repeated drone notes.

    2.) Heavy strings have a better tone quality on my acoustic, but they put more stress on the guitar and on my hands By tuning a step low and using a capo i gett a thicker string and a lower action.

    3.) I often base my tuning around woden flutes and other instruments with fixed pitches.

    4.) my Melobar lapsteel can be tuned many ways, i like open D

    5.) i used to live in a rented house that had a messed up electical system that was grounded to the plumbing. Guitar amps would always produce a low hum which also carried the signals of low frequency FM radio statons- mostly over the top evangelists. Since i couldn't beat the Hum, I tuned to it, used a ProCo Rat for distortion, and rattled the windows a bit.. The slobbery fuzz tone was cool with agressive Trem bar use and the feverish religious ranting seemed to add to the whole effect.
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      Re: tuning down

      Wed, August 16, 2006 - 7:53 AM
      First question for Bobby. Bob, you've piqued my curiosity. Why are barre chords of dubious use? I don't agree or disagree, I just need you to enlighten me because that was some heavy shit I read. I'll tell you why Bob: I often use barre chords even when I'm using a capo but secretly, I've always felt that perhaps it's a bad practice as far as technique goes. I'm pretty confident that you might be able to tell me why it is that I feel that way Bob, considering your obvious discomfort with barre chords yourself. Secondly, I experiment with open G tuning and can mimic Keith Richard's sound quite easily, but it only gets me as far as a few basic riffs. As far as chord shapes go, are there only just a handful when using an open G tuning (ex. a barre and two finger chords ) or are there other alternative ways to approach and improvise with open G or any other open tuning?
      • Re: tuning down

        Thu, December 14, 2006 - 2:57 PM
        Danny there are pretty much as many chords for open tunings as there are for standard tuning. It's just a mater of getting your head around them. There are lots of books and guides to them for sale. If you have a look at www.elderly.com you will find a number of books and even courses on using open tunings.

        "As far as chord shapes go, are there only just a handful when using an open G tuning (ex. a barre and two finger chords ) or are there other alternative ways to approach and improvise with open G or any other open tuning?"
  • Re: tuning down

    Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:08 AM
    I tune a half step lower because I have mad love for horn players...
    ...open D major is solid, open G is solid, open C is solid, and open E major is solid but its easy to break strings, leo koetke does that.
  • Re: tuning down

    Sun, March 18, 2007 - 11:52 AM
    LOTS of guys do this



    Hendrix, Van Halen just to name a few



    the slack in the string is nice...tonally, it's not a dramatic difference...we're talking about a half step here



    try C# -- that's a wicked low vibration, that you should be able to feel in your balls
  • Re: tuning down

    Fri, March 30, 2007 - 6:53 PM
    Apparently Fender has come up with a Stratocaster that has a multi-position knob that'll let it sound like a tele, or give you a number of alternate tunings, all with a turn of the knob. No re-tuning required. It's not supposed to be midi. Perhaps it reads the vibration of the string and converts it to another note. How they can do this without being "digital" is beyond my comprehension, unless I think real, real hard. If the batteries go dead it's supposed to sound just like a regular old US Strat. As for detuning to Eb I don't know it that is one of the options, but maybe. I used to try tuning down a half-step like Stevie ('cause Jimi did it and he liked the sound), Jimi ('cause it made it easier for him to sing), or Iommi (well, 'cause I guess it hurt his nubs less), but found it to be a major pain in the ass at gigs. Not to mention what happens when one of those crazy harmonica players jumps on stage uninvited.
    • Re: tuning down

      Tue, October 23, 2007 - 8:46 PM
      I read a review about this guitar on the weekend, if it wasn't soooo expensive, I'd get one. I like to play a bit of slide, but I also like me strings to stay nicely tensioned in tune. It would be great to be able to flick a knob and be in open tuning.

      On the other hand I also like to occassionally play my nylon strings lower because it adds a different dimension to playing with more give on the strings, so this concept wouldn't help there.

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